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Just a caution: I will try to keep it as vague as possible, but there might be some small spoilers. Also, if you want to keep the ending un-spoiled, don’t read the comments. 🙂
I had been playing Red Dead Redemption for about three weeks now in between some other games. I would do a mission or two then put the game away for a while to start back up later. Well, earlier tonight, I could tell the game was getting closer to the end, so I decided to stick it out and finish it in one last play session.
The entire game’s story had been working up to one certain point; the death of certain characters. The entire game focused on Mr. Marston’s plan to find these men and kill them. When I started to run into some of them over and over again, I knew the ending was close. So I kept playing.
And when the event finally happened, I felt very happy for Marston; he had finally completed his task that had taken him so very long and had been haunting him like a ghost. As I rode my horse back to finally get my reward, some nice music played and the atmosphere was perfect. I felt accomplished.
But, after a scene with my reward, I noticed that I suddenly had more missions. Story missions. More bloody story missions. And then I continued to play the game for another HOUR and a HALF before it was over.
And when it finally ended, the real ending was not nearly as fun or climactic as the “1st” ending. Not to mention that the final scene seemed forced and it gave no explanation whatsoever as to why it happened. The game could have ended on the perfect note nearly two hours ago. It seemed to me that Rockstar felt the game was a little too short and decided to throw some other crap ending in just to get some more game play.
“Well,” you ask “why does it matter if there are more missions? It’s all about having more fun, right?”
Wrong. Not only did they ruin a perfect ending, the “extra” missions that you then get to do are incredibly easy and boring. One mission has you shoot crows off of a silo. Crows. I shot ten of them and the mission was over. All the extra missions are worthless filler, only there to get the player from the 1st ending to the 2nd one.
Needless to say, I’m disappointed in Rockstar. They had a perfect ending, one that would have let the player go out and finish all the side quests and continue to explore the land.
Then they ruined it.
UPDATE: Let me be clear; I know about the ending that you play as Jack, so you guys can stop informing me about that. I was so disgusted with the “Marston” ending, I turned the game off right then. Sure, the Jack ending might give the story a bit more of a nicer ending, but for me, it was already ruined.
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June 6, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Nate
You completely missed the point and your opinion, because that’s what it is, is arguable. I felt the endings were perfect. Firstly, its a western and these things happen in a western, secondly, that part you are mad about is about teaching him about family and how to be a responsible man. At least that’s what I got out of it. Not everything has to be done with fireworks and big bang endings. Play the Lost and the Damned and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
September 7, 2010 at 9:06 pm
chris cooper
Nah man dude is right this ending sucked! I felt gipped after beating this game, like after all that he gets blasted? Stupid. just some more lame writers trying to prove theyr’e hip by writing a bad ending. Learn how to write! Rock Star im dissapointed.
October 30, 2010 at 10:24 am
rebelle69
well if u paid attention to the scenes instead of jzt skipping them, jzt mabye you’ll under stand why it ended like that.
December 20, 2010 at 3:03 am
jesse
The whole idea behind the time period of the story as well as the mere story of Marston himself is like the ending of one story only to breed a new one; the wild west was dying, the ways of the outlaw were dying, all of Marston’s gang was dying, while the east was moving in, technology and government were encroaching. Following along with that theme, Marston dies and, positively and negatively, his son grows to take his place. Try to look beyond the mere shoot shit up gaming aspect and look at it more as in interactive story filled with underlying meaning. Life doesn’t usually play out climatically or cool, so neither did this game.
In my opinion, I really enjoyed it, and felt that it had a lot more depth than almost any other game. And idk about you, but I’ve never developed a stronger bond with my character than with Marston. 5 stars for Rockstar.
April 16, 2011 at 8:03 am
Shadow
that isnt the real ending the real ending is in blackwater a optional mission that is not the purple one it is called remeber my family you play it as jack he looks and hunts for the government person who killed your father it is an epic ending
May 14, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Jorge
Man the ending sucked. Come on marston gets killd i was sad but ok later on you play as his son and this is the part i dont like. After he dies i felt a little bit raged and when you kill ross you just shot and go he should have suffered more after being such a coward etc
Ps: in the slow mo i shot all the bullet to the son of a b…..I hate those backtabers b…..
December 24, 2010 at 1:40 am
Nice
It’s the never ending rotation of life, and Rockstar nailed it perfect I mean how many john marstons do you think john marston murdered and left those families without a husband and father. So his kid goes out to avenge johns death and does so but then i’m sure agent ross’s grandson whacks jack so on and so forth it will never end so I personally loved it.
January 11, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Evan W.
You obviously haven’t beaten the game yet. After you start playing as Jack go to the train station in blackwater. It may seem like a side mission but you should do it. You end up killing the person who killed your father. Sorry about the spoiler but that is where the REDEMPTION part comes into play. The free roam is cool but I highly recommend doing the mission. it won’t come up on the map. but there will be a stranger mission at the train station in blackwater. Do IT! When you finnish it I recommend getting cheats and just free roam. its pretty awesome. Thanks…
March 13, 2012 at 11:22 pm
v iForsaken z
Actually, this is revenge, John escaping from his past is his Redemption
August 16, 2012 at 5:33 pm
gabriel
you know personally i loved the game. it was fabulous. action packed and all. the tried to redeem himself and he does. the ending was great the fact that he dies is perfect I’m not saying i was happy when he died but all those missions that y’all call boron turn out to make sense. and then you play as jack which i thought was great because then you finally get to kill the fucker ross. in the american government there is two things you have to know. 1. its corrupt. 2. once an outlaw in their eyes always outlaw
June 6, 2010 at 5:57 pm
outwar6010
you can finish the side quests as his son and u take revenge on agent ross(i killed his family too) the ending was good my only fault with the game was that the intro could’ve been alot better if you started at the failed bank job(also upgradable weapons would’ve been nice )
June 6, 2010 at 6:03 pm
NRGuitarist
Dude, do you not understand the whole point of those extra ‘easy and boring’ missions?
(MAIN SPOILERS COMING UP!!!)
If it had ended after Dutch, then it would have been an unsatisfying, cliché, happily-ever-after ending. It would’ve been terrible. The agents simply walking off as if nothing had ever happened, and John just going back home and that being that. If that was the case, the whole game would suddenly feel really cheap.
John’s return to the farm and his family near the end is to symbolise his return to a life of normality. He is finally leaving his past life behind him. Those missions are to reinforce the fact that THIS is his new life – being a rancher, a father, and a husband.
The fact that the ‘real’ ending approaches so quickly with little warning only helps to support how powerful, climatic and meaningful it really is. A view that Ross maintains is that everyone must pay for what they’ve done. He planned all along to remove John after the others. Yes, John had changed, but his past life in the Dutch gang would never go away, and Ross always planned for John to pay for his crimes.
The real emotion comes when he sacrifices himself for his family. He realizes that he is never going to escape the government if he runs, and that his family would always be in danger, and so he allows his own life to be taken in order to ensure his wife and child’s safety. It is such an unsuspected ending, yet it totally finishes the game perfeectly. He has finally become redeemed, in death.
And yeah, ya can go kill Ross and all that as Jack, but the true ending is here, and it is an outstanding one, although terribly sad.
(END OF SPOILERS!!!)
An ending at the point you stated would have been infinitely worse than the real one.
Nick
June 6, 2010 at 6:09 pm
isarai
I completely disagree, I thought the ending was fantastic because of the impact it had on me. Sure it pissed me off, but it’s for that very same reason that i loved it. It’s not every day a game makes you love a character so much you actually care that he dies. I also loved it because it was a lot like the endings of the classic western films it’s inspired by.
The farm missions afterward were to strengthen your feelings/relationship with his family. Otherwise you wouldn’t have given a sh!t about them which in turn would have ruined thee story IMO.
Just because it’s a happy ending doesn’t make a good ending
March 13, 2012 at 11:26 pm
v iForsaken z
Agreed, I felt very emotional when John died, he made me laugh, literally! Great Ending.
June 6, 2010 at 6:24 pm
kpdc1
100% agree
*SPOILERS*
i was so disappointed with the ending and the fact that john dies and you have to play as his gay son who is no way near as cool as john was realy pissed me off!
it should of ended when he got back to his ranch and was reunited with his family
instead of having sucky missions and then killing him off!
June 6, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Aaron
SPOILERS*********************
The death of marsden is one of my favorite endings to any game. also that is not the final ending as you can go do an extra side mission in blackwater. John had a beautiful death and i was glad it ended like it did. Also those crappy little missions helped build a relationship with his son and wife, so when the ending came, you cared about them. i loved it, sorry.
June 6, 2010 at 6:30 pm
NormD
it’s not about the fun at that point, it’s the involvement in the character and the story of John Marston. He gets what he’d been fighting for the entire time, but only for so long before it’s torn away. I think that they actually may have intended for people to finish the game like this because that’s exactly how someone would feel if they had recieved what they had been fighting for but knew that it couldn’t last: the time spent would feel shorter and harder to appreciate. I had a similar situation when I finished the game for the first time and the funny thing was that during those last missions I could help but feel nervous, paranoid and nauseated because I knew exactly what was coming, and I think that as a character Marston knows too, he’s not expecting a happy ending because one isn’t possible. You can’t run away from your past.
Edgar Ross is such a horrid shell of a man that he is not only a serious political statement against government interference, but also a representation of everything that John was fighting against. John is the Old West, a more pure black and white world where there is good and there is evil, while Ross represents change, the shades of grey in our current world where nothing is clear and all acts are bad in some way but are considered good for being less so than other acts. As John, Bonnie, Abigail and othe characters say/imply throughout the game: “Change is only good when it makes something better” And while it was less civilized, I think that part of the message of the game is that the old west was a better place than the America of today simply because life was less complicated, and there was real, physical good out there in the world and you didn’t have to look for it so hard like you do these days. Hardship can bring out the best in people, whereas power corrupts.
Just as an addition though, you didn’t actually finish the game if you didn’t get to the credits yet. There’s still one last mission, which I personally saw as a fitting end in that it ties the themes of the game together well and especially because it gives the title meaning.
June 6, 2010 at 6:57 pm
rob
if u didnt see the credits the game isnt over yet there is a stranger who gives another quest to tie it up
June 6, 2010 at 7:04 pm
john
Did you play the game after the ending. You get to play as Jack with all the same abilities as John, and get to unlock everything.
August 5, 2010 at 7:00 pm
Irish
Yeah, Jack has all of Johns abilities, but it’s not the same at all. I can’t stand playing as Jack, not because it’s a huge change or anything, but because of the voice actor. It’s the same actor but now he’s trying to sound like a tough badass, which falls through. Jack really never had anything to be incredibly BA about. His father died, but Jack was fully aware that John would never approve of his going on for revenge.
January 5, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Mell
I agree they should had made you play as irish or nigal or somebody that john had helped and would want revenge instead of his son they should had made him a bad ass from the beginning now it just not the same.
June 6, 2010 at 7:09 pm
that guy
Well I understand that this is your opinion but I completely disagree. The ending to this game was soo amazing, I have never seen a game or movie that actually lets you get to enjoy your reward. usually it’s just the bad guy is dead, or we found what we’re looking for, and it ends. thats not fun. This was awesome, and the missions were supposed to be easy, they were more of a way to bond you to the characters so when the 2nd ending happened you felt more compelled to save them. Rockstar likes the theme of being unable to escape your past, no matter what you do. And in my opinion they pulled it off beautifully in the game. And in case you didn’t know there’s still one last mission to do after the 2nd ending, that might make you feel a little better. This has been one of the best games I’ve played this generation.
June 6, 2010 at 7:10 pm
Whiskey
Did you kill the guy that kills the dad, thats the real ending youll see. Hunt him down and kill him then you get the red dead redemption and credits. (also the gold trophy).
June 6, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Andrew
It was completly horrible after the ending you played as jack and Jhon dies it was HO-RRI-BLE! i saw that got 100% then ran off to the store and traded it in, like that the simple fact they killed the main character made me go on a rage, so much time waiting for this game and then it just has this horrible ending, bluagh…
June 7, 2010 at 9:16 pm
Dan
You kill John’s killer. That is the real ending. You traded it in and you didn’t even finish it
June 6, 2010 at 9:09 pm
Dill
I think it’s more like “Hey, my father John Marston taught me everythan I know, dontchu speak badly about im!” I was very happy with returning to the family John has seen but not the player, and even though Abigail is kind of a slut, I thought it was going to go on for a while more and maybe we ditch Abi and marry… McFarlene. Her name starts with a B. Baby. idk
July 5, 2010 at 4:07 am
Loz
Bonnie
June 6, 2010 at 10:10 pm
ManaReaper
This ending was amazing, even better than GTAIV’s and I loved that ending. I agree with other comments saying happy doesn’t always = good
June 6, 2010 at 10:28 pm
daush
The ending is perfect for this game, i love movies and western style too, so the 1st ending was a little strange too me, good games with solid story have a mojor impact and twist.
the real ending was great, sad i know, but is the only way to end it in a big way, just like the game is, a big story, production and etc.
I LOVE how those boring mission make sence after a while. can you see how important is to spend time with your dad, with your son.
Was Fu$#% brilliant! Everytime you kill an animal you can hear the boy saying: just how dad told me.
I dont remember other game that you prepare your son to fight for you, and take revenge for you.
i miss the voice of a tought guy(marston)…he was a legend, i was a legend…
December 28, 2010 at 4:05 pm
chch is getting the worst earthquake in all newzealand history alpine fault 7.1 for 3 minutes help help help
i totally AGREE with you it was amazing i like those west games
(even though i didnt no how to get the ending credits)!!!!!!!!!
June 6, 2010 at 10:42 pm
steve
You definitely missed the point of the final missions. You took part in the simple missions to live the family life you had been working up to. I don’t know about you, but the whole time I was playing it I knew something bad was bound to happen. I thought it was the greatest finale I’ve ever played in a game.
June 7, 2010 at 1:00 am
Bhushan
you’re nuts. The ending was perfect. Jack gets his redemption and that too in a “Red Dead” way… So the ending was gr8…. if u didn’t like it u’re one in a million rare chap who should move on n play something else 😉
June 7, 2010 at 6:20 am
Ted
Spoilers :
SPOT ON ……….
I find it incredible that you are getting so very little support for your article.
That there are so many players with so little taste.
You are absolutely right !!!
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Rockstar should have ended it near or at.. Dutch , and also left us with John at the end not his son. ( even bigger mistake ) It does not matter that they killed John off ……hey it could have been a bitter sweet ending …….but that sappy family thing really took away from a terrific build . Being left with Jack to finish the game was so repugnant to me that i instantly started a new game so I could do all the side missions , challenges etc with John ……Hey He was the one I invested all my time into ……and lets face it he is much better scripted and acted.
Thanks for Nailing this one ………..
April 15, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Jack marston
lol wtf rtard jack looks like John except he dose not have scars and a rough beard jack was perfect for the ending cryless
April 15, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Chuck Norris
Agreed
June 7, 2010 at 1:50 pm
BALLZINHERTHROAT360
Okay, so i thought the ending was appropriate but im currently trying to find the mission for jack to go back to blackwater and get some needed payback. do i wait for the mission to appear? i just want to FINSIH it. I have to return the game tomorrow. HELP?!
May 5, 2011 at 5:45 pm
fknshaggy
It’s the stranger mission in blackwater
June 7, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Josh
I would hope that R* make a DLC for Jack just so i can feel more comfortable wid him like either startin the ranch up again or going after the government cus at the moment i feel like an alien playing as him……. plus the ending waz amazing
June 7, 2010 at 3:40 pm
D.Vader
Ending was great IMHO. The last few missions were designed to further flesh out the character of John. Otherwise he would have been a one dimensional character.
You are in the minority. Most people love the ending and i thought it was much better then the Lost ending. 🙂
June 15, 2010 at 9:20 pm
tetp
but it dosent had more missiond with jackk< and he is complitly read jonhs death ruined the story
June 7, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Maxaker
Sorry couldnt disagree more with you, I think this was perfect. The missions after set the mood and then the drama happened.
I can understand when you say these missions were not quite the hit, but I liked them, I see you were looking for a GTAish ending.
That’s all I can say I loved it and this ending is one of the best a videogame has had so far in my opinion.
June 8, 2010 at 12:02 am
Mark
I totally agree, the ending sucked. How is it “emotionally satisfying” to see the character you just played for over forty hours get killed in a scripted event, only to have him replaced by his nerdy son with a whiny voice who was somehow magically transformed into gunslinger with all his fathers money, inventory and stats intact years after his fathers death? Defies believability and logic. I suppose I’ll have to shell out more cash to find out how this transformation occurred through DLC’s. I don’t think so Rockstar.
Then, in a supposed satisfying act of revenge you get to kill an old retiree in a duel. This Ross guy wasn’t a gunslinger, so how was besting him in a duel supposed to be satisfying.
I’ll tell you what would’ve been satisfying, is that for the $65 I paid for this game I got to kick MAJOR A** before I died, and not get gunned down like a rabid dog in a scripted event.
June 10, 2010 at 2:16 pm
Stu
To me it doesent fit, John Marston was a tough killer and suvivor, after all the gunfights hed been in to get his family back there is no way in hell he would have suicided out the door like that, its daft, more realistick if they killed his family then he wasted all the gov peeps, i can only think of one western that takes this route and it was the only one John Wayne died in, cant rem the name tho, all other tough killer characters dont suicide, they kill eveyone else.
June 10, 2010 at 4:21 pm
Christopher Burt
First, I have to disagree with the Article purly for the fact this is the first time I’ve cried over a video game and I think everyone can clearly say they were sadden by death more then just angrey of the bad decision. I think that’s what rockstar was planning for as they did it in GTA 4 (never made me cry but was very sad none the less)
Second, I hear quite alot of people talking about them releasing DLC for Jack, I dont think they will (I know there releasing Free Co-op Content soon) as the story is over, finished and if they did release more content then it would just be milking it. If anything they will do what they did in GTA 4 where they release DLC but completly different storylines with some similar faces down the path. (Bandit maybe!; That’s a bad idea; Cut that)
Thanks for reading
June 11, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Tadow
Finishing the story after killing Dutch would have been such a generic ending. I would like to have seen the credits roll after John’s death, but I guess Jack’s involvement was necessary for the continuation of the game after the story. Nevertheless, I applaud Rockstar for creating such a powerful ending – much better than GTA4 (I can’t even take the story for that game seriously).
June 12, 2010 at 4:17 pm
Luke
Mark and Stu hit it on the head. exactly what i thought.. ending was sh*te
June 13, 2010 at 8:49 am
Sam
I for one would have preferred if John had lived, I thought the first ‘ending’ where he is reunited with his family was great, I also liked the part where you try to restart the ranch. It would have made a great ending which wouldn’t depress everyone! I would have liked the remainder of the gameplay to be based around rebuilding the ranch and helping friends! Rockstar never make a happy ending ever.
June 13, 2010 at 8:52 am
Sam
I also wish I hadn’t done the last mission, it was all good till then.!
June 13, 2010 at 1:38 pm
landon
yeah the game was an amazing one and the “2” endings really didnt make much sense to why they would have that in the game. the first one was sweet, second one….ehhh… i thought of an idea that would have been cool for rockstar… make a red dead revenge/ redemption 2 and play as jack and get your revenge on everyone.
June 13, 2010 at 1:39 pm
landon
yeaah i also agree the stranger mission was stupid… they should of EITHER ended the game when john came back home or ended it when you seen jack while he was older
June 13, 2010 at 9:53 pm
J
Count me in with the folks that thought the ending sucked. The time we invested in John was so much that we wanted him to ride off into the sunset. And he had faced far worse situations than at the barn to be honest.
And to top it, you become his annoying gay-ass son. Jiminy.
June 14, 2010 at 12:16 am
gorg
SPOILER WARNING
Yeah I felt the ending was very anticlimactic. Go on this massive mission with Ross ot finally end your quest. Then after go back to your family for some very, very boring, dull filler missions that give the sense of killing time rather than Marston ‘bonding’ with his family, then the army shows up, boom mission over, except for the stranger quest as Jack.
They should have either a) reworked the ending entirely (maybe Jack and Abigail die, and John has to avenge them or something like that), or b) have John die (without the family mission crap) and then some more missions as Jack that finish off the story. Hopefully with dlc they may expand upon it though
Just my two cents
June 14, 2010 at 9:50 am
Ben
People may not agree with this but I started to really like the character John Marston i to think that the intro needed some work but the ending was terrible i mean i would have loved it to be the good father and husband help the ranch i could’ve been perfectly happy but no they had to go and F*uk everything up by killing him and now you play as the son oooo u get revenge by dueling i would have been happier if I couldve shot his gun out of his hand and watch him grovel maybe then i’d have been happier but nooooooooo
June 14, 2010 at 2:09 pm
Nova
The ending was fine, I just wish I didn’t have to play as Jack to finish the side-quests/uniforms/etc. I was invested in John and playing as Jack just feels contrived. If I had finished all the side-games and hit 100% completion with the death of John, I would walk away satisfied.
June 14, 2010 at 7:19 pm
chris
I think the whole ending with going back to the farm og John’s death was amazing! BUT, I would have hoped that they made Jack more “dark” (e.g his attitude, his voice 😛 ) and they should have done a more controlled ending. Maybe force some music and bad weather ( I got some poor ambient sounds and sunny skies ) and also made the killing of Ross more of a struggle, more suffering and pain etc. Then I would be REALLY satisfied 😀 I just feel the Jack ending could have been as, if not more epic then Johns death.
June 15, 2010 at 11:31 pm
ZC
Jack’s ending is supposed to be morally questionable. It’s not supposed to be “satisfying” because, honestly: He’s gunning down an old, retired man.
The whole point is that you (Jack) are supposed to question whether it was right to go after that old man, and that good boy Jack has got to live with what he does… And maybe he can’t. Maybe it’s a bad thing, and he should have let it be.
It’s like “Unforgiven” in that regard: Yeah, you got him. How do you feel about it, kid?
June 21, 2010 at 12:13 pm
adzzz
I know when I got to be Jack there was only one thing on my mind … That old bastard was going to pay !
August 16, 2010 at 2:52 pm
ernesto
if you think about edgar came for john when he as retired and now it is in reverse now the jack came for edgar when he is retired
June 15, 2010 at 8:24 am
Joey
Lol the author of this is a fool.
Rockstar did a fine job of bringing us an open-ended western game, and I thought it was one of the best endings I’ve ever seen in a video game, and the Jack Marston revenge mission made it so much the better.
So stop complaining, the game was in no way ruined by this choice Rockstar made in how the game ended.
June 15, 2010 at 10:42 am
Alpunk
So people don’t like the ending because it’s either a) too sad or b) don’t like being parted with the main character.the second one is kind of fair enough but why would you want the obvious,cliched ending that we would have been given?we want our games to improve and have scripts that compete with films as art and yet ppl complain when a developer does something this adventurous? No wonder developers often don’t bother and see plot and script as secondary.
I think this ending is a new high point in videogame storytelling. The whole epilogue is just amazing in my opinion wheras a lot of what goes before is entertaining in terms of games but nothing more if you’ve seen the odd western. The attachment it builds in the player towards the family is unique to videogaming and the ending ties in with the overall theme of the game. What was the last game you played that devoted an hour to building the relationship between a father and his family?I loved every minute of it and as someone else points out above it builds the dread with every mission.
more games should be attempting things like this but they’re afraid that the typical response will be “it’s boring innit?” or “why doesn’t he just shoot them all and ride off?”
Anyway,rant over.it’s by far the best ending to a game I’ve ever played and one of the best 1hrs of gaming storytelling I can remember.
June 15, 2010 at 11:28 pm
ZC
It’s like some of these people have never actually watched a western before…
One of the central themes to westerns is that, in the end, you get killed. Sometimes you ride off into the sunset, but usually, you end up dead or alone. You don’t get what you want; You get what you’re given, or what you can find, or earn. You don’t get the happy ending; You just get an ending.
ALL westerns have a bittersweet ending!
High Plains Drifter: The town is wrecked, people are dead, women have been raped, and the mysterious man leaves everyone to ponder the wrongs they’ve done.
The Outlaw Josey Wales: Josey would love to have a happy ending with the girl he likes, on the ranch, but the military comes for him. In the end, although they turn the military away by lying and saying Josey’s dead, we see that Josey has been shot, and will likely die once he’s away from his friends.
The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly: Blondie wanders away leaving Tuco to die, knowing he’ll be pursued by others looking for the treasure, and possibly risking Tuco getting back at him, later. Everyone else dies.
Unforgiven: There’s no reward money. Ned dies. Munny kills everyone and then goes home, where he grabs the kids and disappears to parts unknown (maybe San Francisco, where he prospers in dry goods). Everyone involved remains haunted by the unnecessary loss of life.
Quick & the Dead: The Woman gets revenge for the death of her father, but the entire town is destroyed in the process, and countless townsfolk are injured or killed by explosions. Cort betrays his vows. Everyone else in the competition dies, including The Kid.
3:10 to Yuma: He dies getting the job done.
Tombstone: One Earp is crippled. One Earp is killed. Wyatt loses his wife, his brother, and his best friend Doc, but finds true love. All the Cowboys are murdered. Most of Earp’s posse is killed. Sheriff Behan is never brought to justice for collaborating with the Cowboys. Wyatt retires and leaves the West behind him.
…and so on.
Westerns never have straightforward “And then he killed the boss bad guy and won the day” endings. This isn’t fantasy or scifi, man. A western with a “happy” ending isn’t a real western.
June 16, 2010 at 6:38 am
Dan
To add one more,
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid
One of my favourite westerns.
If you want to see why Marstons death fits the western theme, watch that.
It’s basically the same ending.
=D
June 19, 2010 at 6:11 am
bouma
I think the ending was good.
It was pretty sad.
Before I actually got it, I thought maybe Abi and Jack die, and John gets to take revenge before he drowns his sorrow in alcohol or something.
Would be really sad too though…
June 20, 2010 at 5:45 pm
godfather
i heard that its not over untill the credits roll nd no credits rolled after you became the son.. so im sure theres more to the ending..
June 21, 2010 at 4:08 am
Josh
NRGuitarist saved me from a lot more writing, the ending is great and it’s great to see a game that uses literary techniques so well.
The main motif in the story is that you have to pay for your ‘sins’, there is no escaping it. Everyone in the gang is dead at the end of the game. All throughout the game characters make references to this motif, specifically when John is traveling with the government agents. As well as this when you go to speak to Edgar Ross’ wife she says how the Bureau won’t leave him alone even though he is retired – he was corrupt and he can’t escape from his past either and again he gets killed. Secondary to this motif there is also the “Death of the wild west”.
The missions on the ranch at the end aren’t ‘filler’ missions, the entire game that’s what John was fighting for. If the game had have ended at this point I would have been somewhat satisfied but it would have been a cliche ending, not the thought provoking one that it is.
June 23, 2010 at 10:59 am
Martin
the ending was brilliant it made me cry. rockstar should have had an 2 different endings and you could have chosen which one but the original endeng is epic
June 30, 2010 at 2:04 am
zak
Dude i totally agree i thought i was done then they give yo this totally boring ass ending to had somewhat been a good game except for some of the begining. i got so bored in that part when you work as a rancher i almost thought it was over and rockstar was just trying to get you to stop playing because you were done. but i went through those freaking long boring pointless missions to watch him die even though as you mentioned earlier how i already had felt accomplished with the “1st” ending. i dont care what happened in real life in the west at least make the game better. who ends a game with some of the worst gameplay ever. i know they had to kill him of probably to. i saw it coming ever since you talked to those guys before you get done with the first ending. but still at least save us from those boring mission the hardest part of the game is getting through the last missions. and who wants to even play as jack. the game is ruined.
and i dont get why he just walked out like that he had killed more people than the group waiting for him already why couldnt he do it again. and those missions you didnt have some awesome barn to use as cover. but no he just walks out and you get to pick few people that dont even matter to shoot.
July 6, 2010 at 12:04 pm
Blake
The reason he walked out is to get the gov’t off his family’s back. If he would have killed them all they would have just sent another agent to kill him. Yes, Jack is stupid, but it is very satisfying to kill Ross.
July 10, 2010 at 10:26 pm
Thuha
It would have been nice if the game ended with a happy ending, but the death of Jacks father gave it a little more spice! The game would of been more pleasing if you could fix up the ranch\ fall in love after you kill the Ross guy (I think thats his name), so Jack can have his happy ending. =)
July 12, 2010 at 1:03 am
Luke
I think it wouldve been sick if after John got shot, he wakes up from a dream, either laying next to Abby, or out in a camp still hunting his buddies or something. But because I havent discovered the ability to augment a game’s ending, I was semi-satisfied, but kind of perplexed. The army chasing you is never really explained, except that Ross is coming to finish you. It all just happens too suddenly. John went out much too easily when you look at the many tedious hours you put into building him as a character. He at least couldve gone to the top window of the barn and picked some soldiers off from there, but no, instead they put you in front of 25 soldiers with like 4 seconds of dead eye, like WTF?
On the subject of Jack: Rockstar…. are you fuc*ing kidding me!? He was annoying and bratty when he was 16, but thats understanable because he was a teenager. But all of a sudden hes this badass outlaw gunslinger with a queer looking beard and moustache, AND THE SAME DAMN ANNOYING VOICE! Seriously, that is not Jack’s voice after puberty. I’m pretty sure he’s wearing a wig and glued some pubes to his face, because I have yet to hear any man talk like that. They shouldve at least made his voice somewhat like John’s but also alter his image somewhat, like his long scumbag haircut, I was just dying to play someone who’s heard of a barber. And they shouldve made the last stranger a regular story mission, I only discovered him by pure luck, and I was extremely confused as to what to do when they put me in Jack’s shoes.
July 22, 2010 at 6:32 am
mzak
I did think it was all a little strange but the fact the game made you actually care for your family then sacrifice yourself was just perfect. the whole point in taking jack hunting and spending time with your wife was to make the ending that much more powerfull.
Great game , great and very sad ending…
July 26, 2010 at 2:28 pm
Sir
Its a western game and this is how western novels end, peacefully and not on a sour note with a little nugget of wisdom tossed your way.
July 28, 2010 at 12:25 pm
nick
ur all wrong u have to think with the story i mean first u get esquella he is part of ur gang then williamson he is part of ur gang the dutch he was the leader of your gang i mean why would they want to kill everyone exept u so then u have to fend off the aarmy before u get shot 500 times but they wanted the whole gang dead but the real ending remember my family is badass
August 18, 2010 at 3:20 pm
George
sure i was pretty upset at john’s death, but i’m not to fussed about playing as jack. As john i would feel wrong walking into a town and blasting everyone in the face, but playing as jack who’s dad was just murdered it feels like there are no boundaries and you can do as you want.
August 20, 2010 at 12:30 am
Ashz22
I hated the ending the only reason for the last ending was so if they wanted they can make a sequel. poo on RockStar
August 25, 2010 at 11:33 pm
myfingersache
I didn’t really mind the ending. I didn’t like it much, but it was still acceptable. Sure, it’s sad to have your main char, who you’ve spent hours pwning bandits with, die on you in the way he did, in front of a handful of people you could probably take out if John hadn’t literally stepped out right in front of them, and it’s depressing that the last few missions deal with trivialities like shooting crows or herding cows, but I never expected an epic ending. I held a little hope that Dickens, who you meet in Blackwater a bit earlier anyway, and maybe some of the others would arrive in the nick of time for an awesome showdown, but I knew it wasn’t likely. I mean, I didn’t expect for him to die so pathetically, but I wasn’t that surprised. I felt a bit let down after the climax, but not enough to throw me off the game.
Then I found that you’re doomed to spend the rest of the time playing as Jack. I honestly hate Jack. He has no redeeming qualities. When you shoot people as John, you always know that that’s how he lived. John Marston killed people; it’s what he’d always done, from beginning to end. Jack Marston, on the other hand, never had that lifestyle. His only claim to fame is that his father died. That hardly makes him unique. How many of the men John killed were fathers, making a living the same way he did? Do they all deserve a license to kill?
I didn’t find the ‘real’ ending fulfilling either. Ross was a jerk, sure, but he was doing his job. He really believed that John Marston was a menace and a murderer. By the time you killed him, he’s old and retired, way out of his prime. It’s like being bitten by a dog when you’re a kid, waiting several years for it to grow old, mend its ways, and have a family, and then killing it. When John kills Dutch (indirectly, I know), he’s finishing what they started. When Jack kills Ross, he’s being an arrogant prick with a superiority complex. He tries to follow in his father’s footsteps, but a), John never killed for the sake of anything as petty as revenge (obviously, we as the player character may not have been so noble), and b), his father didn’t want him to live that kind of life. Jack is basically spitting on the grave of his father.
I’m fully aware that this sort of ending is used a lot in westerns. That doesn’t mean it had to be used here. The issue isn’t even that John died, it’s that Ross killed him with a few men from out of nowhere. A man like John doesn’t get beaten. A man like John dies on his own terms, when and where he decides. If he had died in a final assault to both avenge Uncle and free his family from the chains of his past, that would’ve been fine. But no. John died a weakling, his final days spent under the heel of the government.
To be honest, I’m mostly pissed because even though I kept a save file from before the final battle, it’s still too far in the game for me to change outfits. So, er, excuse my rant.
September 6, 2010 at 5:04 am
Chuck
Well, ending was very western and logical but I simply can’t take it. I will forever miss John Marston. When I was at the half stage of the game I already started dreaming of playing red dead redemption sequel as John Marston. Ending ruined it all. ALL characters died and no proper importance give to any of them. Ricketts, Marshall, West Dickens, Bonie all characters were doomed. Newspaper giving death and other boring news about them. No point in sequel which they are going to make. No emotions attached and I ain’t gonna play as they already killed almost each of them.
September 11, 2010 at 4:01 pm
Cory
I thought the ending was exciting and gripping, I actually almost cried for John. As to why there was no explanation as to why the U.S Army showed up his house is beyond me. However, I was dissapointed with the fact that once you start playing as Jack Marston, nothing happens(At least as far as I can tell) You would think you would get revenge or something! Please reply to me if I am wrong but I can’t seem to find any more actual story elements left in the game.
September 16, 2010 at 6:22 pm
fingers
You’re supposed to go to Blackwater, where you find a side-quest that lets you track down Ross and avenge your father.
The U.S. army shows up because they wanted to erase all the outlaws, John Marston being no exception.
Aside from that one side-quest, there is nothing else to do story-related. You just wander around as Jack, trying to live up to your father’s shadow.
September 26, 2010 at 2:36 am
Jason
I did not like the ending either. We’ve spent so much time for a character and (spoilers of course, were talking about the ending) he dies. I was shocked to see him get shot, I thought I could nail all those guys when I got out of the barn and I think he sent his family away to not see him die. I spent all that time and the character dies at the end? Waste of time.
The other missions I thought were to bring you closer to the family and get a sense that he really wants to start things over again but in the back of my mind I knew thy would not end it like that. I also felt like a slap in the face when the “ride off in the sunset” achievement came up. That’s what I wanna do in a western game, give the evil guys there dues, and ride off alive into the sunset.
The jack thing does not really appeal to me, but atlas that is definatly how old western books go as well. I just wanted a happy one for all that time I spent
October 5, 2010 at 12:31 pm
Aaron
What the ending meant was that the people who killed John were “justifying their paychecks” as Dutch had said. They double crossed him, and rather than killing John and Dutch, they made it two separate dangerous criminals killed to justify to the public how much they are paid.
One of the best endings to a game I have seen.
Also, I doubt a sequel, as the game marked the end of the old west. It would have to go back in time, maybe to John’s days in Dutch’s gang?
October 18, 2018 at 3:07 pm
Jessica
Lol you can see the future! I am eagerly anticipating October 26
October 6, 2010 at 4:10 pm
Conte
Guys, c’mon, wtf the game is just great, forget about the end and remember the content. We are not talking about books or movies here, we are talking about games and from this perspective Rockstar made another wonderful job. Congratulations Rockstar!
October 26, 2010 at 11:34 pm
Matt
I think it would have been a lot better if their were even a possibility of beating the group of enemies at the end and having John live. It could be really difficult but it would have been so much better that way. I don’t like playing an entire game as one character and then having that character die and be forced to play the post-game adventuring as another character. I saved onto a different file and just play as John getting all of the extra stuff.
November 1, 2010 at 5:30 pm
stranger
you guys saying its bad are completlry wrong….rockstar is countinuing the story where you get to play as jack, therefore there will be much more for you to do and a whole new story….
November 3, 2010 at 9:10 pm
Jackson Barton
I thought the ending was in the middle of crap and sadness i would like for John to live but im glad Jack got revenge to the black water dude.
November 7, 2010 at 2:22 pm
fateball
Sorry, I have to disagree with you. Everybody has a right to an INTELLIGENT opinion, but i feel your view on this game has been severely misguided by the fact that you did not give it enough time or effort, as you openly stated.
Imagine you have a box set of a TV Show, with 20 episodes. If you only watch 1 episode per week, instead of watching 10 in one sitting, are you going to get the same emotional attachment to the characters?, Are you going to develop a relationship with any of the characters you may prefer over others?, Are you going to get a grand sense of relevance and motive?. The answer to all of those questions is a categorical no.
If you only play the game for a few missions and then turn it off, and switch to another game, you only have yourself to blame for not feeling as psychologically invested in the story as other gamers, who gave it more time, have been.
I do see your point about the game ending after John putting Dutch down. Returning to the ranch and the credits rolling. But that would have been a terribly cliché ‘fairy-tale’ happily-ever-after ending. You wouldn’t have got the slightest inkling into the lives of Johns’ wife and son, which the whole game centred around. The game would have ended without any fleshing of those characters at all. That would have been tragic. To have spent the whole game on a mission to obtain your family’s freedom, only to never actually meet them.
Also, you may not be a fan of these movies so it may not apply to yourself, but for anybody that has seen proper Spaghetti Western movies, you will know that things never end the way you expect. Things are never easy. There is always that final twist you didn’t/couldn’t see coming. Watch any of the ‘Dirty Harry’ titles and you will be amazed at how intricate and complex the plot can be.
John had to die. It was inevitable. You had firstly Javier Escuella who seemed untouchable, and he died. De Santa seemed to be completely invincible as well, protected by the might of Colonel Agustin Allende and his Mexican Army, but both of those major villains died as well. Williamson eluded you for over half the main story missions but you eventually finish him off too. And finally, the man behind everything, your original gang leader Dutch, he is gunned down by Marston as well.
There was an overwhelming sense of never being able to outrun your fate, and that your misdeeds and crimes will eventually catch up with you. It would have made absolutely no sense for John to remain alive, when all of the men before him, that were very similar to John, fell to their knees.
Personally, i have played hundreds of video games with awful endings. Mainly because they all follow the same tried and tested monotonous generic structure that we have seen time and time before. Cliché, unoriginal and predictable. It was nice to finally play a game that shocked and surprised, a game that had you on the ropes all the way through, and then just when you thought the bell was about to ring, it hit you with a nasty right hook.
I have been playing video games now for the better part of 13 years, and Red Dead Redemption is one of the greatest pieces of art that i have ever had the fortune to experience.
July 8, 2011 at 1:06 am
jack
exelent post couldn’t agree more fateball
November 21, 2010 at 5:14 am
dragonrenacido
Yeah, I understand the why’s and how’s of the fact that John Died. But here are my issues with it.
1 – I play games to get away from the real world, to enjoy a “fantasy” world. So why not have a storybook ending? I get enough crappy bs in my day to day life anyway.
2 – It would have been awesome to get to take down the agents, and become a renegade family on the run. I mean, there could be some really cool missions with the three of you becoming outlaws. (Obviously wouldn’t follow the “redemption” theme, but neither does a 20 second duel – what’s “redeeming” about that?
3 – My biggest issue with it all is that I have to play the rest of the stinking game with this snot nosed, annoying kid. John Marston is one of the best videogame characters I have encountered in quite some time – and I was looking forward to working towards 100% with him. Now I have to finish with this pipsqueak. Blah.
Bottom line is yes, this game is artistic, it is different, and it does have a “point.” But just because a game is artistic, the ending is different than normal, and that it makes a point, DOES NOT mean that it can’t suck. There is a lot of famous art and literature that really suck. Just because it is artistic, or different, does not exclude it from sucking. And the abrupt ending this game had, well frankly it sucked. It isn’t that John died, that I figured was inevitable. But that he died so quickly. They could have done so much more with the ending. IT just felt like a cop out to me. But that’s just me. If you guys that liked it want to go and say that it was an amazing artistic experience, well that’s fine. But I would state that I think that there is much more “art” out there, that is much better than this.
November 27, 2010 at 12:01 am
Roy
The ending as much as it was disappointing to see your favorite character just blasted like I me it was noble and honorable to make up for life mistakes but, all through the game you are seen as this crazy good and the best gunslinger there is I think it should allow you to kill all of them if ur good enough bc I manage to bust at least half of them if not more with a swift bullet to the head I’m really hoping to see an alternate ending bc Jack is to simplistic and has not seen and done what his father has completely lacking in that cool/intimidating factor that people love
December 1, 2010 at 11:51 am
Bombshell
You guys act as if there could only be two possible endings, one where Marston lives and one where Marston dies. Wrong. I could have wrote a MUCH better ending. Yes, in my ending he would certainly live or die. But he would have died with more reasoning behind it or lived with more suspense behind it!
December 4, 2010 at 6:54 pm
Tuck
I agree with Jackson Barton up there.
December 6, 2010 at 6:57 am
M
I loved the game but the ending was so sad ): i liked marston and his family i almost feelt like i was one of them. i nearly cried when marston got killed. i knew i would happen sonner or later, but i was so sad and angry i just wanted revenge. the funny thing is that i went to armadilo to buy a newspaper to se what year it was and in the newspaper i saw that ross had retired as agent and that he lived in a cabin at don julio….. searched for him and his family but no one there then i heard of the stranger mission and finely killed that basterd 😀 but good game sad but best ending i have seen.
December 11, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Jonn
Throughout the game we learn about john subtly. Meeting and learning about characters as he does. Jack and Abigail are characters that he already knows and are forced upon you. I think this was all an affect given by R* you try to soar throught the HomeBound missions so you can be 100% free in the game. You are brought to an abrupt end and you realise what John does: All this fighting only to have it taken away. We fought for redemption and killed only when we thought John would. All this is made even worse for you as the fact that Jackhas all of John’s abilities shows that he has turned out exactly the opposite of what John wanted. Which showsus that even although throughout the whole game we have been fighting for the freedom of Jack and Abby, our past can not be changed. R* made a superb game in this. Also I wish you could play as Dutch XD!
December 21, 2010 at 11:30 am
Rob
You! are sooo wrong.
After Dutch died it wasn`t over, John had left his family for a long time and they where worried sick about him these last mission are about restoring that band between them and the army was already fucking with him all the time so it was obvious they would have come back to kill John because they still believe John is a bad man. They just used him to take down the other outlaws. Allthough it was sad to see John die I think it was still the right ending. I mean it was fucking epic It really led me wipe a tear. I still didn`t avenge my fathers death as Jack. Because I just got this far in the game 5 minutes ago.
Sorry if my english is bad
But I think this was the best game the world has ever known
And in my opinion: no movie, game or other story has a better character then John Marston
December 21, 2010 at 11:47 am
bluboy
the ending was sad for me i codend believe it wy cant thef have a choice of who to play as example:play as jack or john or abagel.or if uncle survived as uncle and you cood visit people from the past like bonnie mcfarlen and reyers or nigel west dickens or seth or irish if you agree ill coment rockstar to put a better ending for free
January 2, 2011 at 5:47 am
byron
the whole family part is crap. 3 new people you´re not familiar with. boring missions. john marston is a gunslinger not a farmer. yes, his new life blabla… this is a western game. no history. everyone who loves leone western wants to play cool character. bad ass with heart. my problem with the ending is not marstons dead. little bit of drama, why not? revenge is a big thing in western movies. but with jack?! that´s a joke. why not john returning to his ranch and finding his family dead, murdered by ross´agents. now john could make his final redemption by killing them. eventually he could die in a great final shooting.
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January 12, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Chuck
Wow. I can’t believe some of the comments I’ve read on here. Way to TOTALLY miss the point of the ending.
Not everything is happily ever after.
January 18, 2011 at 2:12 pm
olivia
tbh i think the ending was amazing, the way John scarificed himself for his family was noble and meaningful for an outlaw, the way it ended actually made me cry! the way you bonded with John, got to know his son the story about his wife basically being the slut for his outlaw crew but he saw her for the woman that she was and ended up marrying her getting a ranch and doing the best he can and for his son to grow up loving him seeing his strengths an weaknesses and ends up killing Ross who killed his father actually made me proud of Jack, it seems funny talking about characters in a game set hundreds of years ago yet having an emotional attachment. based on that fact alone make me realise and think that rockstar got this game spot on, well written well put together cos lets face it when i play GTA i have no attachment to my character, compared to RDR they’re just drug mules and murders, but RDR is based on morals and family views therefore it makes it the epic meaningful story it is
January 26, 2011 at 11:50 am
DanS
I’m proud to be a gamer after reading many of these replies. Most people think of gamers as zit-faced no-life punks with nothing better to do but shoot up everything that moves. I think it’s great to see people appreciate the depth and story in a great game like RDR, and talk about it in an adult and mature manner.
I agree that the ending was perfect. I love that you think it’s going to end, and then WTH, these stupid herding missions? But I saw quickly that it was all about character building, and seeing the relationship between John and his family. You don’t see that through the entire game, other than the passion John shows for doing what he’s doing to be reunited with them. And you can tell that something is up with the punk Edgar. So, after just a couple of the “boring” missions after Dutch, I knew it was going to be awesome.
Then, just when it should be over a second time, it’s not. Time for revenge! Just love the way it was all played out.
Awesome work, Rockstar.
January 27, 2011 at 3:50 am
loke
Overall I liked it. I just wish I could play more as jack just to get comfortable wit the new character. Do missions in the honor of his dad. But I thinK overall it was great. I’m still waiting for another gta
January 28, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Graham
Sorry my man. Will have to disagree.
I really liked the ending. I actually felt gutted when John gets shot. He’d worked so hard to try and find redemption. But then ultimately his past came back to haunt him. I think thats a very clever ending and to be honest thats the way I’d expect things like that to end back then. The government always win unfortunately.
I’m glad you get revenge through Jack aswell. However I do agree some extra missions at the end would have been nice. Maybe a bit of a reunion with some of the interesting characters you meet along the way in the main game. Like what happended to Irish? Did the government deal with West Dickens in the same way as Marston? Did anything happen to the Mcfarlanes? Some extra stranger missions perhaps?
These would have been nice closing features but on a whole I think it was a satisfying ending. Thumbs up.
March 8, 2011 at 10:32 am
Olivia
I want Rockstar to do an expansion pack so that you can make your ranch a proper one and acually heard cattle and KEEP them, as well as horses, and develop shops and stables just like the macfarlane’s ranch 🙂
end of.
(see above for my previous comment about the ending)
March 31, 2011 at 2:16 am
Kroanos
It was the perfect ending for those who have a sense of story telling. There was no way that a man like John Marston could live a peaceful rest of his life. Jack hunting down Ross to fulfill his/our need for revenge is perfect because we all wanted that bastard to pay. After it’s done you’re still left feeling empty. Killing Ross doesn’t make the anger and sadness go away. Kind of like in Braveheart when he kills the guy that killed his wife.
April 11, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Mang
You kidding? John would’ve been all for filling Ross with bullets. He wouldn’t have approved of Jack doing something like killing Ross’ wife and brother for an example.
”Not to mention that the final scene seemed forced and it gave no explanation whatsoever as to why it happened.”
They killed him because of his past crimes. John suffered the consequences of his actions.
He suffered the consequences of his actions. That’s the redemption. That, and his sacrifice, by staying behind to buy time for his family to escape safely.
April 12, 2011 at 5:05 pm
caw
i think the ending sucked. he could have put bullet in john right after dutch dead. i don’t like the fact john was killed. he could have easly fough his way out of that. thebarn had door at front and back and he goes out front why?????
April 13, 2011 at 2:56 pm
Shadow
that was the worst ending in a game ever i thought halo reach had a good ending cause it made sense but this is bull crap i am very dissapointed with rockstar
April 18, 2011 at 12:44 pm
UnknownCausez
you dumb ass u
didntactually said dat u beat dah game but I am too stupid to finish reding de entire thing is all ,that’s not the ending where he got blasted u aint finished yet…………….even my 10 yeqr old nephew can see thtApril 18, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Shadow
i did beat it and did do the side mission i still think there could be a better ending
April 26, 2011 at 5:32 pm
velox
what a stupid syet ending. should’ve at least had John blow off that sob Ross’s head off before being gunned down himself. instead it leaves it for another character – one which you could’nt care less about.
April 27, 2011 at 12:42 am
Warrior
Well ive been reading some comments and i think rockstar should have released 2 endings like this guy said one to keep john alive and this one. Personally i didnt like very much this ending i would like john marston 2 live and not 2 play with his son but anyway
April 30, 2011 at 6:09 am
Marston
I thought the ending was awesome! Wish he hooked up with Miss. MacFarlene first though, rawr.
April 30, 2011 at 9:32 am
KroniK
To be honest who really cares that much? its a game, and yes i got attached to John too, but in the end not that many people will continue to play it for long after the main story anyway, and at least the game wasnt just over with the death of John, you get to play as his son, with the whole thing of revenge, and to be honest he seems a nice kid
May 22, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Jack Bauer
John had to die, there was no way the government was going to let a murderer and outlaw live.
June 13, 2011 at 12:57 am
Ball
This was the best ending to a game… ever. It was like Braveheart or The Last Samurai. The first ending was actually boring, the second ending is what made a \n above average game a great game.
June 16, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Kiid Steezy
Has anybody tried to kill ross while u used dead eye against all those ppl?
June 22, 2011 at 6:55 am
sheepy zac
I personally im disappointed i was so in to this game. i hope rockstar goes back and makes a prequel game to this about johns past and one about jacks future. i wish the game could of ended with john killing all of the government agents as i feel they were corrupt. ANND if you dont care about this feed, how he dies, and how people feel about the ending. DONT F**KING COMMENT WE DONT CARE THAT YOU DONT CARE.
June 25, 2011 at 3:46 pm
dock
After having the two suits bossing him around and calling his wife a prostitute during all the last missions they also get to kill him. Horrible choice to put on this epic tragic ending that leaves just an after taste. It’s like the ride with your father in Fallout 3, remembers me the military giving you the chicken that you’ll have to kill later, takign a class of psycology 101 and believing to have mastered the human brain.
July 11, 2011 at 2:48 am
Earthen80
RDR for me is more a piece of gaming art more than anything else, like Metal Gear Solid or Final Fantasy VII. It’s not as complex as the fore mentioned games, but the ending alone just makes this game beautiful and satisfying to play. Rockstar got the brutal wild west spot on, and John’s character is sincere and realistic, he knows what he is, but you can see he really wants to give his son a better life than he had.
That’s what make the ending really powerful for me, and the way his son turns out to be someone similar to him is kinda sad as well. Special note must be given to Rockstar for the way the screen freezes and turns read with the RED DEAD REDEMPTION stamp after the last duel with Ross. Gave me chills down my spine…
July 17, 2011 at 1:53 am
Lachy
God I was pissed off. I was thinking “I’ll Just do this mission with jack, do some more hunting”. I was actually enjoying playing marston with his family. They even put in missions like: “go break these horses ’cause we’ll need them for the winter.” and “go buy some cattle cause the others got stolen”. It makes you feel as if it’s all going fine. I would have been happy if you could just live in your house and free roam.
I guess if there had to be an ending, I would have as marston escaping to Mexico with his family.
July 18, 2011 at 9:22 pm
Adam
re·demp·tion
[ri-demp-shuhn]
–noun
1. an act of redeeming or the state of being redeemed.
2. deliverance; rescue.
3. Theology . deliverance from sin; salvation.
The general feeling I get off anyone I speak to is that the moment of riding home was one of the greatest moments in a video game ever. But then it continues with more awesomeness and “finishes” the story. I think it was perfect in every way.
I recommend you won’t like the way the movie of Watchmen ends….
August 2, 2011 at 10:59 am
sp3cial1
Watchemen is lame throughout just as the ending of this game was.
Anyway why not just take redemption to mean John killing Escuella, Williamson and Dutch the men that left him for dead it’s far better than playing as the lame kid.
July 19, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Blake
The series is utterly defeated. There is no chance in hell that they make an acceptable sequel. The entire game is structured around the strength of the story, and the connection of the player with the characters and how well they are depicted. You then have the main character killed off in a gun fight that he would have otherwise won in 20 seconds, IF given the chance to hide behind a fricken wall… Weak sauce. Thanks for destroying a fun/interesting gaming franchise. Anyone who enjoyed this game was angry, if not annoyed to have to play as Jack.
July 26, 2011 at 7:07 pm
TheUndercoverJew
The ending wasn’t an issue for me. The thing that really grates is having to play as Jack after you’ve finished the game. Getting to 100% completion with some kid that I have no interest in doesn’t interest me
August 2, 2011 at 10:51 am
sp3cial1
What really annoyed me was the lack of realism throughout, yes John may be a better shot than most but dead eye made the game so easy even with expert targeting and no aim assists. You could easily jump in and out of it and kill 20 guys with barely taking a hit. At one point I just played without it. Anyway when John dies why does he just give up as I said about dead eye if he just climbed to the top of the barn or even out the back you could easily have killed all those guys and it was this change at this point that annoyed me the most. Yes realistically he wouldn’t have had a chance against those 10 – 15 as they would have just torched the barn and flushed him out but you cannot add this ‘realism’ at this point but at no other in the game just to satisfy your desired ending.
Also playing as the kid was stupid he could hardly even hold a rifle before and certainly couldn’t shoot straight I mean hunting wolves he didn’t even hit one and now all of a sudden he’s on the same par as John.
Also one final point why not just kill John at Dutch’s ‘forced suicide’ I mean Ross takes your pistol, your only weapon in that cut-scene. Or why doesn’t John just hand in a pardon letter I mean it got him off the the 300 person (marshal/civilian) killing spree I went on previously.
Yes I understand what the underlying context of the death and the playing as the kid means but it doesn’t make it any less lame. When there are as many faults as there were you have to take the game on face value and the ending(s) completely ruined this.
August 6, 2011 at 9:34 am
rynoth
I just finished the game myself. Yeah the ending bloooooows. I know you get to play as Jack, the thing is I don’t WANT to play as Jack. And the final mission, the true last mission that you play as Jack is so anti-climatic compared to everything else. Even though “vengance is obtained” you feel like it was nothing. Like it didn’t matter. You don’t get a 2nd cutscene of Ross bleeding out, you just turn his face into beef-a-roni and that’s it. End credits.
Yeah I understand it’s supposed to mean “Everyone faces the consequences of their actions” but it’s still a stupid ending. Fuck you Rockstar.
August 15, 2011 at 10:43 pm
ohnoyoudidnt
I was SOOO dissapointed with the ending that i looked this up and i decided to give my own alternative ending to the game.
First lets go way back to killing Dutch. Now i kinda liked Dutch (you have to admit they didnt make him a character where you hate his guts) and i really wanted to fuck up those government assholes. So instead of Dutch committing suicide i think Dutch should of proposed a plan tht includes John and Dutch to team up. You guys team up and try to sneak out but run into Hunter and Edgar Ross. Then comes a cutscene where you say some words and call each other worthless (the usual shit) and then you and Dutch duel against Hunter and Agent Ross and win. After that you and Dutch ride off on your horses and fight your way through army soldiers until you get to John’s ranch and get his family. There instead of doing “bonding” missions you take John’s family and you all ride out to MacFarlenes Ranch. There you stay hidden and live in piece.
Sometimes a happy ending is a good ending.
September 13, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Marston
I used the Mauser…to fill that government bastardo with holes…He has so many im surprised I couldnt see through him…Also did anyone else feel that the problems experienced when the old West was dying in the game kinda mirrored the same problems we have now?
September 25, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Derp
If you couldn’t tell that John was going to die halfway through the game, then you must be dumb. The government used John because he was the only one with a family, he was also a part of that gang. So why wouldn’t he be killed to? The government, in real life too, is corrupt, they weren’t just going to let him walk. This game isn’t a fairy tale, its a western. John dying was bound to happen.
September 26, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Guthrie
Man, the amount of people complaining about the ending. It all flew right over their heads! Yeah, it was depressing, but that was the idea. The whole point of the simple missions at the end was to settle the character in to what they’ve been wanting the entire game, then abruptly and senselessly take it all away. Jack’s showdown with Ross is supposed to be lame, because it points out that vengeance solves nothing. He tracked down an old man, yelled at him and shot him in the head. And that’s it. His parents are still dead and he’s become exactly what his father died to prevent him from doing. And there’s nothing left but emptiness.
It’s very emotionally powerful in a way few games have ever managed to make me feel and it’s a shame some folks just couldn’t get it the way it should’ve been gotten. If they had just let John live happily ever after after Dutch, it still would’ve been a good ending but that’s all it would’ve been.
October 15, 2011 at 1:24 am
AlphaWeazel
If you didnt like the ending then you obviously didn’t understand it. The whole game you were a former gang member forced to hunt down other former members of your gang. Once the feds had you kill all of them then the feds killed the last of the gang (John) …
Basically Rockstar nailed it. They captured the old rough wild west ending perfectly. Not everybody gets a happy ending.
November 12, 2011 at 5:22 pm
ThunderSquirrel
100% agree with everybody that thinks the ending COMPLETELY SUCKS! It forces you to shoot and kill yourself when you just could have surrendered and gone to jail! What kind of dumb person decides to shoot a whole army!And when you have to kill Edgar Ross it only takes one shot to kill him! Rockstar also just left a wide open space! Seriously,what happens after Jack kills Edgar Ross?! Does he get a family,get killed or just not get a family and die alone?
December 30, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Kyra
John knew he wasnt going to live, even if he surrendered. They would take him to jail and keep him there his whole life I bet. He knew if he killed them, there were TONS of more to come. So he faced it, but unfortuant, he died. He did though protect his family, and kept them safe, although it was rough for the Marston family to get through it.
November 14, 2011 at 8:06 pm
Sam12321
The ending was totally BORING. The last hour and a half of play time was a waste of life. They could have just made a 5-10 minute cutscene if they wanted to tell a story and kill John and set Jack up for a sequel. Also, they should have had one of the agents shoot him in the back.
November 30, 2011 at 4:18 am
Jer
To be honest, when John was about to be killed by the firing squad I actually tried to exit dead eye and take cover back inside the barn, which resulted in the most anti-climatic death ever. That’s the thing about the ending and morals of the story, that no matter what you did you couldn’t escape your life of violence. I don’t want to get into a morality debate, but as a character in a video game I’d rather do whatever it takes to ensure my own survival rather than try to redeem myself and get blasted in the end. The ending was fucking tragic, like in hindsight John should have just said fuck morals and killed the government workers who had his family and taken the law into his own hands. Instead you get totally fucked over and are only left to think about what you could/should have done differently.
December 27, 2011 at 1:52 am
Jophus
Okay, I loved this game, but the end and the home missions were horrible. I’ve heard people argue about plot and character development, and I understand them both. I also understand when they’re all dumped together at the same place it’s nothing but lazy writing and a forced attempt to make the audience feel something. I don’t mind that John dies, but to all the people saying “that’s how ALL westerns end,” well, you’re wrong. John Wayne only died in one of his westerns. Clint Eastwood lived. Randolf Scott lived. The cowboy rides into the sunset, folks.
And yes, yes, yes, I get the whole concept of the thematic element that portrays John as the dying spirit of the west and yada yada yada. But his death is SO forced and COMPLETELY out of character. You can justify it however you want, but you can clearly see the deus ex machina at work–the forced hand of the writer making the character do something the character wouldn’t do.
All I can say is, how would we feel if we watched The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly for hours, only to have all three characters die at the end, then a boy who showed up ten minutes before the credits roll finds the treasure in the graveyard? We’d feel gipped, we’d feel ripped off. Well, Rockstar is NO Sergio Leone, and the idea of a character dying at the end isn’t new, it isn’t avante-guard. It’s so post-modern that a character LIVING through a modern story is more unique and artistic than killing off the protagonist. How boring, how cliche, and how lazy.
January 7, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Kilrzombie
Now i dont like playing as jack, butI think the endin was perfect because it led to rdr undead nightmare and u play as john undead, now yes i was mad john died. But it led to another cool game to it and before someone says that it could’ve led to another game with him alive, i agree, but wat about. Being nothin but a rancher for a whole game, think about that
January 26, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Andrew
I won’t go into detail about how John’s death was necessary because of the time period (blah blah blah) it’s been said several times already. But for those of you who are complaining that Rockstar can’t write because they killed John, think about it; how many of Rockstar’s games have actually had “Happily Ever After” endings? L.A. Noire doesn’t. Grand Theft Auto IV isn’t too cheery either. The Lost and Damned. Undead Nightmare. If you don’t like it, take the game back.
February 11, 2012 at 1:39 pm
JK
The ending was perfect. Unfortunately the average fanboy(judging by the OP and some posts above) isn’t intelligent enough to understand it. They just want to shoot and kill things. So sad. Now I know why many look down on gamers.
The Mysterious Stranger(God/Angel/Satan) foretold that John would still have to pay for his crimes. They would not be wiped clean. There would be no happy ending. But he still had a chance at redemption for his soul.
Also Edgar Ross and John were the same which sadly few people get. Just like Reyes and the Mexican Government were the same. There was no bad guy/good guy in this game. John was as much a bad guy as Ross. Ross was kept from his own family and did the governments dirty work. He was in a similar boat to John. Just a puppet.
And the true ending was hollow because Jack became everything John and his mother did not want. An outlaw. A relic of the past. And killing Ross meant nothing. But only continued Jack down that path. Which meant John’s redemption(his gave his life for son and wife) was lost.
February 22, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Jim Thomas
The point was to show how the Wild West was ending. So they gave Jack a bunch of cliche spaghetti western lines at the end to show how ridiculous old that way life was
February 25, 2012 at 1:11 am
Some Guy
Rockstar makes you think the game is over after you “kill” Dutch, then you ride home to see your family and rejoin them to lead a “normal” life. The “easy” missions at the end is what John wanted to do the entire game. He wanted to settle down and become a rancher. So the missions they have you do, are things that a rancher would do i.e. take your cattle out to graze in a field, break in some horses, teach your son how to hunt. Those missions are there intentionally. Not because Rockstar thought they needed more content.
If you read between the lines, the message is. “No matter what you do, things don’t change. You can keep running from your past, but eventually it will always catch up to you”. The reason they killed John off, is because the government was using him the entire time. They made a deal with him to get the other people from his gang and in exchange, he would get to lead a “normal” life again. John thought they kept their part of the bargain. But the feds knew the whole time that they were going to use him to get what THEY wanted and then kill him anyway, If you didn’t get that, then that’s your fault. Go play COD.
May 8, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Mitchell McCormick
Amen, I am glad there are others that see it the way I did.
March 13, 2012 at 11:19 pm
v iForsaken z
The whole point was this: Edgar Ross wanted Dutch van der Linde’s gang dead, John was in his gang, along with Williamson and Escuela, and were widely notorious. Ross used John to butcher the others, then Ross killed John, the last surviving member of Dutch’s old gang, John knew he couldn’t run from his past anymore, and sacrificed himself to save his family, thus achieving his ultimate goal: Redemption
April 16, 2012 at 8:31 pm
L61kvo
I to was upset when John died, as you do get so attached the character. Even though disappointed I’m glad there was the extra mission at the nd to tie up loose ends. Only thing I would have like see happen maybe would be to make the relationship between John and bonni stronger, sounds kinda soppy I know, bu she did save his life at the very start, and it makes it clear the last time you see her, that she is find of john.
Apart from that an excellent game and look forward towards a sequel if there is going to be.
April 27, 2012 at 9:03 am
blaine
At the end read the newspaper! Its really good! And interesting! Trust me.
I think this is the first time i got feelling for a video game ! Wow, well done Rockstar!
May 8, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Mitchell McCormick
The missions you do on the farm weren’t meant to be fun. The locked outfit and menial labor was meant to show that John had truly changed and was very happy with his situation, to him, everything was back to normal, and it was time for him to patch up his relationship with his wife and sun.
June 27, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Alan
I liked the IDEA of the story ending the way it did BUT, I thought it was very poorly executed. The problem was, as with the entire game, PACING. After the exciting climax of killing Dutch, there is WAY too much time spent on the falling action. I understand that a connection with his family needed to be established, but this could have taken place earlier in the game.
The game should have started at the failed bank job, then flashed forward to Marston with his family (where you would be able to gain an attachment to them), then continued with the story. The ending should have been the same, but skipped directly to the Army attack and John’s death immediately after killing Dutch (without the “emotional” riding-home scene).
This would have effectively stretched out the climax and, having already established an emotional connection with his family, shortened the time spent on falling action by making “Remember my Family”, wherein Jack takes revenge on Ross, the next and final story mission.
The pace could have been quickened by this and the continuity solidified at the most crucial point in the game.
Good job by Rockstar but not great.
July 4, 2012 at 3:07 am
Chris
This was a horrible ending. Article is point blank perfect. Rockstar messed up…. you dont write movies with unhappy endings for the same reason you dont write games with unhappy endings……IT MAKES PEOPLE UNHAPPY …..AND THEY GET PLENTY OF THAT FROM REAL LIFE … so its a slap in the face to players when a character they enjoyed and got very involved in is killed off and replaced by someone way under par.
July 4, 2012 at 3:19 am
Chris
and one more thing… all you people talking about “understanding the ending” are too stupid to realize what everyone else is saying. We understand why that happened….but it doesnt make it the best ending they could have chosen especially since you feel as though the entire game was wasted as the main hero is killed off and no matter how you cut it that gives every gamer the feeling of WASTED TIME. I save the game before last mission and made my own ending. Especially since Jack isnt as Wild West as John…. and who wants to leave off playing with some doucher.
July 4, 2012 at 3:24 am
Chris
lol imagine Solid Snake dieing in MGS, or your main hero in skyrim being killed by Alduin in the end game, or any other hero you got attached to being killed at the end of a very story enriched game. Its bad business.
July 12, 2012 at 3:16 pm
fatlad
The one thing id like to see a happy ending and it was soooooo sad
July 12, 2012 at 3:22 pm
jono 90
Yeah but he couldnt of taken on the whole american army man come on
July 13, 2012 at 11:06 pm
poyzinsting
I loved this game and the ending was the best of any game I’ve ever played. I actually felt sadness,anger and the need for revenge. I would not consider it a happy ending though because jack has become exactly what his father didn’t want him to be, a killer. I took out Ross his brother and his wife.
September 14, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Matt
The bittersweet ending was just perfect to me. The government betrayed him and use him and his family and then killed him. And then his son got revenge of the military officer who killed him. It was sweet because Jack got revenge on his father, but ended up with the life that his father wanted him to keep away from. Amazing, maybe since you switched between games was why you were cranky with the endings, you need to continue playing and listen to the cutscenes and everything. I suggest you play from the start again, and listen. I the guarantee you will have a different taste.
~Matt
October 22, 2012 at 7:39 pm
steve
I think red dead redemption ended the only way it could end…with john dying…and his son taking over…it also leaves the story open to do another red dead game….GO ROCKSTAR!!!!
November 16, 2012 at 3:01 am
Gary
My problem with the ending isn’t even that he gets killed. it’s the WAY he gets slaughtered like that. I actually thought when you were forced into Dead Eye you could back up and pick all these guys off, but you’re only given 4 or 5 seconds total and then boom. You could have easily picked them all off had you ran back into the barn and equipped a proper rifle.
First off the ending just felt rushed. I get it, “The Last Enemy That Shall Be Destroyed” it all built up to this since they were killing off the last outlaws in a dying west. The title alone told me he was going to die. But the mission itself was rather rushed in my eyes. You mean to tell me that this guy you played as for over 40 hours that you grew to love, can take out so many men so easily with the other missions, but he just stands there and gets shot up like a dog in the end? WTF what a major disappointment.
It reminded me some what of the ending of Scarface, how he got shot down so defenseless, but remember he killed as many as he could. And also Tony Montana had nothing left to live for in the end; he lost his wife, he lost his best friend, he lost his sister. You kill as many as you can too, but right after you put Abigail and Jack on the horse, that’s it, you just give up? You have nothing left to live for either now, their riding off to safety and Uncle’s dead, why not put up a better fight? You could have at least done something, run out the barn and take out as many as possible (Note he didn’t die in the actual game play but the cut scene, you could have easily taken them all out if you had cover)
The ending was rushed I felt. Just all of a sudden the army comes knocking on Marston’s door and you kill off a few waves of them, and decide to just give up and let them shoot you like a dog. I know it’s a western, but still…they could have done something better. I would have been a little more happy if you got to take as many of them down as you could sorta like John is yelling “I’ll take as many of you sons of bitches with me!”. That barn gave you good cover to fire a few rounds of the explosive rifle, or just whip out a good rifle and go to blasting in dead eye. I would have rather went down in a blaze of glory killing as many of the bastards as I could, but no, John dies so poorly. You mean to tell me I wasted 20-40 hours to see this man get shot up like that?
You grew to love John, you had so much built up for his character, but then you see him die, then you see 3 years later his wife dies, and you’re given Jack to play as whom you know nothing of at all, and it’s just so confusing. First off, this is now WW1 time and for a game set in the dying west, you would think the towns and everything would change at least a little bit since it’s 3 years down the road, but nope. You as Jack get all of John’s money, guns, ammo, honor, and skills, and he also keeps the same whiny ass voice from when he was younger, that would have aged by now you’d think. All of a sudden Jack is a big bad ass.
What I want to know is how in such little time did Jack become a gunslinger like his dad when 3 yearsprevious he can’t even shoot without moving his back and forcing a rifle to jump? Don’t forget the kid can’t even shoot the wolves in that one mission, and he nearly got eaten alive by a Grizzly bear only 3 years before, and now he’s some legendary young gunslinger!? He’s just forced down our throats.
They also ruined all the other characters with John’s death with those stupid newspapers. You grew to like Bonnie, she was awesome, oh she gets married after he dies…You loved the old gunslinger Landon Ricketts, he dies….you liked the Marshall Johnson character in Armadillo (my favorite character outside of John) oh he retires and leaves town.
Speaking of the other characters, I felt we were left high and dry with most of them. The only one you really go through with that you worked for from the start to finish was Bonnie. Yeah they did shove West Dickens into a small scene in one mission, but what about Irish? You never hear about him ever again…What about Reyes? You would think he’d give you something for all the help you did for him. How about Seth, would he pop up somewhere? You would think these people would try and aid John at that. I can understand the Marshall, he had his own business to tend to, and Landon Ricketts wanted to be live quietly, but the rest of the characters, it seemed once you were done with them, you were done, outside of Bonnie. They could have at least had Jack meet them, or something for you to at least learn Jack.
I have to disagree with people who think the last stranger mission ‘Remember My Family’ justifies the killing of John. Seriously, John sacrifices himself for the family. He clearly did not want Jack to go through the same lifestyle he lives. He encourages him not to do the things he did, and it’s implied all during the final missions, he clearly would not want Jack growing up and doing the same things he did like killing people. Did Jack start this right after he died? Did Abigail die in disgust seeing her son is now exactly like his father? That’s another thing, she just dies 3 years later and you have no clue why, or even told. Just like Jack, you learn nothing about him really
The way Jack hunts down Ross may be satisfying to some but I didn’t get it. You hunt down a retired man and kill him a duel. Ross was a government guy, he wasn’t no gunslinger. Then on top of that is just the fact you’re killing an old man. Oh yeah he had John murdered, but does this change anything? Are you really satisfied with a shitty ending like this seeing him kill Ross and then smile as the credits roll? I’ll pass.. What happens after? Do they report Jack as a suspect and a man hunt goes on? Not to mention, John was “retired” from being an outlaw when he was murdered, so how about that, Jack hunts down a retired elderly man and kills him. It’s not even “avenging” John, where is the honor of murdering an old man like this? He’s basically living off his father’s fame in his shadow, and becomes exactly what his father died for him to not become.
In the end you sacrifice yourself for nothing. You watch your character you loved to death get shot down like a dog in a rushed mission, and then it ends with your wife dying 3 years later, and your son following your foot steps. So that means it was all shit and a waste of time.
If they were to make a sequel, at this pace, Jack would be some criminal going into the 1920’s who most likely would be some bootlegger during prohibitionist era, doing the same lifestyle of crime that his father before him in a new era, it would totally suck.
Rock Star gave us one of the greatest, touching characters ever with John Marston in a video game. I rarely play games these days, and I got hooked on this, I fell in love with John, they gave us this awesome story too but the rushed ending, and then forcing a character down our throats we know very little about just ruined it all.
November 20, 2012 at 1:38 am
leo
I see where ur cpming from but it was a tad different for me i was shocked and heatt broken it was like my best friend died i even cried n that was the point the ending painful to watch but when i saw jack i was somewhat satisfied when u complete the mission with him u get closire n a bit of peace knowing u finished wad ur father wanted the only thing i wish the would do is have jack put a rose over his fathers grave n ride off into the night i loved n hated the ending n love this game
December 30, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Kyra
John knew that he was going to die no matter what, because of his outlaw presented on him. He decided to just face the pain but he did protect his family, so in my opinion, John was a hero.